Does the habitat of the humans of the future necessarily involve cities? Is the depopulation of rural areas harming the climate and, therefore, the next generations? We live in a world in which, for the time being, cities continue to be the pole of attraction for the population. A pole of attraction that ends up turning the countryside into a terrain destined only for the extraction of resources to ensure the life and well-being of the people who live in the cities. Is there another way to fit these pieces together? In this episode of The Social Observatory Cafe, Toni Rodon interviews the Universitat de Barcelona lecturer Dolores Sánchez Aguilera; Antonio López-Gay, researcher and lecturer at the Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona, and the president of the Association against Rural Depopulation, Javier Pérez Portero.